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  A QUICK STORY for you

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. experiences

  gallery memoriesit was 1982.. california summer.. the entrance of creative galleries.. the limousine arrived and she emerged.. there is a word i’ve been saving for the sort of story i’m about to tell you.

  she debouched from the limo.

  (she deserves a special word.).

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  Nathan Natas

  T said, "...from the top of her head to the souls of her shoes."

  
  Do shoes have souls?

  I was always told that shoes WERE souls.

  Keepin' it on a spiritual level,

  - NN

  PS - You did a good deed. You're a good guy.
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  What happened to Marvin Schilmer and his Blog against the JW's?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspoturl=https://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/07/complete-donation-what-happened.html.

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  Nathan Natas

  This thread was started two weeks ago and nothing has been revealed to date.

  Is Marvin now just a puddle of goo?
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  Is the Bible God's word? Help please.....

  by Freeandclear in

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  2. friends

  so real quick, i know this comes up now and then and i've looked over some of the posts from the past but here's the thing.. when i was a jw i drank all the cool aid, i was 100% and so i have all my own arguments (from the jw's) for why the bible is inspired.

  i no longer believe this but i'd really like to read something that is pretty much 100% academic on this subject.

  i want to read what scholars have to say about the authenticity of the bible and it's claim at being the inspired word of god.

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  Nathan Natas

  Please read "The History of Everything & Stuff" by the infamous apostate "Farkel".

  You can find it here:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273290/history-everything-stuff-doug-checketts?page=1
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  It won’t be much longer now.

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a couple weeks back my husband got a phone call from his brother, whom he hasn’t spoken to in nearly 17 years.

  well i take that back, he did speak to him at the family reunion, asking him to leave.

  my husband basically told him to f off, he would leave when he’s darn good and ready, but he didn’t use the word darn.

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  Tameria2001 asked, "But I do want to do something that would put the fear of God (or the devil) in those people’s hearts and mind, and doing so without saying a single word. Any ideas on how or what I can do, and still be the sweet little self that I am? "

  
  If there is a store near you that specializes in "occult" items (or a "head shop"), get an "eye pendant."

  The more realistic the eye is, the better the effect will be.

  I think you might see some of those folks really flip out.

  
  
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  An exJW for Prez?!! Peace, for Prince!

  by Spartacus II - The Equalizer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it appears there is about a million voting age jws in the us right now.

  it appears there is 8 million ex jws or in the shadows.. if those 8 million would have the guts to come out for a presidential candidate to come out, we can finally end the slavery, tyranny and corruption in this and many other circles.. cowards die many times but a hero only dies once.

  and cowards die in revelation.. so, to you reading this, are you a coward or a true steward of the earth and creation?.

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  O Simon! Come on! This was starting to become FUN!

  - NN, revealer of secretions
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  An exJW for Prez?!! Peace, for Prince!

  by Spartacus II - The Equalizer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it appears there is about a million voting age jws in the us right now.

  it appears there is 8 million ex jws or in the shadows.. if those 8 million would have the guts to come out for a presidential candidate to come out, we can finally end the slavery, tyranny and corruption in this and many other circles.. cowards die many times but a hero only dies once.

  and cowards die in revelation.. so, to you reading this, are you a coward or a true steward of the earth and creation?.

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  Spartacus -

  Pennsylvania?

  And you say I missed the point. No, I think I got it LOUD and CLEAR, thanks.
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  An exJW for Prez?!! Peace, for Prince!

  by Spartacus II - The Equalizer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it appears there is about a million voting age jws in the us right now.

  it appears there is 8 million ex jws or in the shadows.. if those 8 million would have the guts to come out for a presidential candidate to come out, we can finally end the slavery, tyranny and corruption in this and many other circles.. cowards die many times but a hero only dies once.

  and cowards die in revelation.. so, to you reading this, are you a coward or a true steward of the earth and creation?.

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  Nathan Natas

  If I understand this correctly, you want billions and billions of XJWs to support your mystery man, whose claim to fame is that his grandfather once handed General Eisenhower a transcribed radio transmission.

  (At 3:30 p.m. on May 7, 1945, it was Gregory Melikian who was chosen to announce the unconditional surrender of Germany and the end of WWII in Europe.)

  Anyone who responds positively to your campaign should be immediately disqualified from voting in any election held within the USA.

  WHY is it so important that you keep the identity of your CANDIDATE (Gregory Melikian? Robert Melikian? Richard Melikian? James Melikian?) a mystery?

  Let us share the awe and marvel you hold for this winner of the genetic lottery! After all, not everyone can be a direct, if distant, relative of a man who once stood near a FAMOUS PERSON.

  Let's get some transparency here! I eagerly await your reply.

  By the way, the eggs I had for breakfast this morning were located less than 45 rotational degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon. I call all my bacon "Kevin."

  PS -

  Eisenhower was born in Texas and grew up in Kansas. How did you get Pennsylvania into the picture?
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  WT acually truthful in today's text!

  by Sanchy in

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  2. friends

  ...hope to enjoy everlasting life and witness the resurrection, things unseen by the world.

  like the philosophers of paul’s day who called him an ignorant “chatterer,” most people today think that the hope we preach is sheer nonsense.

  (acts 17:18) .

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  Yes.

  Yes we do.
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  Don't believe anyone is up there listening - said a prayer anyway out of sense of obligation

  by Zoos in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've read many statements on this forum from people who have expressed the sentiment that you don't shove ttatt down the throat of an older person.

  it would be too traumatic and its best to let some people, in some situations, simply pass on in the delusion.. its humane.

  merciful.. in the initial roar of my awakening, i was unable to cuddle up to that sentiment; preferring, instead, to shove the blood curdling shock of truth down the throat of anyone i could get my grip on... age be dammed.

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  So far it seems that people feel this is a binary situation: either grant the man's religious wishes (and thus be "good"; I mean "bad") or engage him full-on in a vigorous unyielding debate about the existence of his imaginary invisible friends (and thus be "bad"; I mean "good").

  Fortunately as an atheist you have no Judge that you must account to, and that includes me, so I won't judge you either.

  You did what you did. It was neither good nor bad. Tomorrow is another day.
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  What should I do?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello everyone, it's been quite a while since i was last on this forum.

  originally i was under a different user name, but lost all that information when i moved to a different state.

  anyways, i had left the jws back in 2001, after being raised up in it most of my childhood life.

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  Go and when "the appointed time" comes, refuse to leave. Explain that those judgmental JWs are not Christians and that no one appointed the as chief morality officer for all the non-JWs there. Let them know that you are in charge of your life, you take responsibility for your decisions, and you urge them to do likewise.

  Bring the list of things that JWs are not allowed to do and begin reading it aloud as soon as you have made your statement. Be a voice for the voiceless and a defender of the intimidated. Be prepared to pop some bullies in the nose.

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  1. Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
  2. Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
  3. Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
  4. Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
  5. Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
  6. Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
  7. Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
  8. Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
  9. Join the armed forces and defend their country
  10. Say the Pledge of Allegiance
  11. Salute the flag
  12. Vote
  13. Run for leadership in their organization. (JW’s are ‘appointed’ and invited to be leaders.)
  14. Run for leadership in any organization

  15. Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization
  16. Take a stand on any political or ‘worldly’ issue outside of their organization
  17. Campaign for a political candidate
  18. Hold political office
  19. Discuss politics
  20. Be a union steward or shop steward
  21. Actively be involved in a union strike
  22. Use a gun for protection against humans
  23. Become a police officer if a gun is required
  24. Wear military uniforms or clothing associated with war
  25. Take yoga classes and practice the discipline of yoga.
  26. Smoke tobacco and cigars

  27. Work full time selling tobacco and cigars
  28. Attend Alcoholics Anonymous
  29. Donate blood
  30. Have blood transfusions
  31. Read books, magazines, publications, and literature from other religions.
  32. Buy anything from a church store
  33. Buy something at a church garage sale
  34. Donate items to a church run store
  35. Shop at the Salvation Army
  36. Work for the Salvation Army
  37. Work for another church
  38. Play competitive sports on a school team
  39. Play competitive sports professionally
  40. Run for class president
  41. Become a cheerleader
  42. Go to the school prom or school dance.
  43. Attend class reunions
  44.Be hypnotized
  45. Accept Jesus as their mediator
  46. Join the Boy Scouts
  47. Join the Girl Guides
  48. Join the YMCA
  49. Serve on jury duty
  50. Study psychology, philosophy, sociology, and viewpoints that might shake their faith
  51. Attend other Christian churches
  52. Attend nondenominational churches
  53. Attend non Christian churches
  54. Get married in another church
  55. Dating non believers is discouraged
  56. Casual dating is discouraged
  57. Dating someone without the intent of getting married
  58. Having sex before marriage
  59. Breaking an engagement, separation, and ‘unscriptural’ divorce may result in disciplinary action
  60. Marriage to non believers is not recommended
  61. Be gay or lesbian. Homosexuality is not acceptable.
  62. Throw rice at a wedding
  63. Get divorced unless the reason is adultery
  64. Can’t remarry unless their ex commits fornication first
  65. Toast drinks
  66. Buy a raffle ticket
  67. Play bingo
  68. Gamble
  69. Sing any holiday songs
  70. Sing the National Anthem.
  71. Celebrate Christmas – Why?
  72. Celebrate New Years Eve – Why?
  73. Celebrate Easter – Why?
  74. Celebrate Mother’s Day – Why?
  75. Celebrate Father’s Day
  76. Celebrate birthdays – Why?
  77.Celebrate Thanksgiving
  78. Celebrate Flag Day
  79. Celebrate Veteran’s Day
  80. Celebrate Independence Day. Why?
  81. Celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day
  82. Celebrate Valentine’s Day
  83. Celebrate Halloween – Why?
  84. Celebrate Hanukkah
  85. Accept holiday gifts – Why?
  86. Celebrate any holiday except the death of Jesus – Why?
  87. Partake in the bread and wine that represents Christ unless they are part of the 144,000
  88. Make holiday artwork for school
  89. Engage in holiday parties at school
  90. Take on a leadership role in school
  91. Avoid viewing or behaving in a pornographic manner (Porneia)
  92. Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place
  93. Attend a class, workshop, or seminar, sponsored by another church 94.Attend social events or fund raisers sponsored by another church
  95. Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged
  96. Wear blue jeans, shorts, and overly casual clothing at the Kingdom Hall.
  97. Wear pants at a Kingdom Hall if you’re a woman
  98. Wear revealing clothes or skirts that are too short (looked down upon)
  99. Wear long hair or facial hair if you’re a man (depends on the local customs of the country you live in)
  100. Body piercing are discouraged
  101. Tattoos are discouraged
  102. State or imply that the Watchtower is not run by Jehovah God.
  103. Have discussions and express Bible based viewpoints that contradict the organization’s beliefs
  104. Say anything negative about their organization. JW’s must ‘speak in agreement’ and be ‘like-minded’.
  105. Consider other religious beliefs as valid and truthful.
  106. Acknowledge any prayer spoken by a non believer as valid - do not say "amen" to it
  107. Take another Jehovah’s Witness to court (with exceptions)
  108. Wear or own a cross
  109. Own any religious picture of any faith
  110. Own any religious statue of any faith
  111. Engage in idolatry
  112. Believe in miracles (except those found in the Bible)
  113. Believe in ghosts
  114. Witchcraft
  115. Black magic
  116. White magic
  117. Consult with a psychic or become one
  118. Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading
  119. Study numerology or get a reading
  120. Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination
  121. Use a tool such as a pendulum to access information from the spiritual realm
  122. Attempt to communicate with spirits of the dead.
  123. Attend a seance
  124. Believe in good luck or say things such as ‘Good luck to you’. Why?
  125. Believe or say anything superstitious
  126. Prophesy
  127. Speaking in tongues
  128. Laying on of hands
  129. Energy healing such as Reiki
  130. Read their horoscope
  131. Study astrology or zodiac signs
  132. Combat training, boxing, or martial arts
  133. Go to heaven unless they are part of the 144,000
  134. Worship Jesus as God
  135. Idolize any celebrity or love and admire them to excess
  136. Women can’t be elders
  137. Women can’t be ministerial servants (assistants to the elders)
  138.Divulge secret information to enemies and those not entitled to know.
  139. Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions)
  140. Associate with disfellowshipped persons except for immediate family living in the same house
  141 .Keep secrets from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules

  142. Women cannot assume the role of a male and instruct the congregation.
  143. A woman should not pray in the presence of a baptized male JW.
  144. Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t be part of this world. They must be separate from the world
  145. They can’t believe anything former Jehovah’s Witnesses say, – even if it’s factual.
  146. Unless they’re an Elder, Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t read this book, – ‘Shepherd the Flock of God’